and things like this are probably why people don't. I am not for anyone or against anyone. But there are 2 sides to every argument or story. The Americans aren't wrong all the time and neither are the Muslims. No one is right in this. You have to try to understand both sides and see where they are coming from.
List of Islamic Terror Attacks in America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...inst_Americans
I think what we need to realize is that there are attacks against everyone, some more so than others but no one has gone without being attacked. Muslims get attacked wrongly for just being Muslim and Christians get attacked just for being Christian. Those who don't believe in any religion get attacked also. No one is just letting the other be, lumping all Muslims together is wrong just as lumping all Christians together is wrong just as lumping all non believers ( whatever the politically correct term is) is wrong. There are extremists in every religion and it brings a bad name to that religion. That is wrong...
So what's the other side to the stories I posted?Originally Posted by cosmo99
Lol They both are Americans. That slip right there I think reflects a lot of how a lot of people feel, that these Muslims aren't Americans.
????? Point of the links, esp. the last one? I was posting recent news stories, not archives, but I could do that too. Get a little Crusades up, possibly a dash of Puritans , and sprinkle some KKK attacks on top.
A link war would be fun but I really don't have that much time. You completely missed the whole point, which is that everyone has been attacked and there is not just one victim. You go ahead and pick the post apart, doesn't bother me. If you actually knew me then you would know that I am actually one of the most tolerant people. My point is we need peace, peace from ALL. That will most likely never happen and its a sad thing.
I wonder though if I travel to China , am I Chinese? If I move to China, am I American Chinese?
If I move to Africa, am I American African? If I move to Iraq or somewhere in that region, am I American Muslim?
What constitutes being American? Can we not just say American instead of having all of the ethnicities and such in front of American.
I'm not arguing that everyone has been attacked, I'm talking about who's being attacked/targeted now and why. And you can thank religion for that, it's divided more people in this world than any other thing by far.
So let's just blame religion for the demise of the world. God forbid we actually blame the people that commit terrorist acts. Not all terrorists are religious. You do know that there are atheist, agnostics, and others (even Buddhists *gasp*) that are terrorists.
The Causes of Terrorism
Two Causes of Terrorism
From Amy Zalman, Ph.D.,
All terrorist acts are motivated by two things:
* Social and political injustice: People choose terrorism when they are trying to right what they perceive to be a social or political or historical wrong?when they have been stripped of their land or rights, or denied these.
* The belief that violence or its threat will be effective, and usher in change. Another way of saying this is: the belief that violent means justify the ends. Many terrorists in history said sincerely that they chose violence after long deliberation, because they felt they had no choice.
This explanation of the causes of terrorism may be difficult to swallow. It sounds too simple, or too theoretical. However, if you look at any group that is widely understood as a terrorist group, you will find these two elements are basic to their story.
* Zionists who bombed British targets in 1930s mandate Palestine felt they must do so in order to create a Jewish state.
* The IRA (Irish Republican Army) bombed English targets in the 1980s to make the point that they felt their land was colonized by British imperialists.
* In the 1960s and 1970s, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine felt that armed attacks in Israel were a justifiable response to the usurpation of their land.
* Osama bin Laden's declaration of war on American interests in the 1990s stemmed from his belief that U.S. troops stationed in Saudi Arabia represented an abomination to the kind of Islamic state he believed should exist in the Arabian peninsula.
* Uighur separatists in China today feel that Chinese religious repression (the Uighur Chinese are Muslims) justifies their terrorist tactics.
* In some cases, people choose terrorist tactics based on a cause whose righteousness they believe in to the exclusion of nearly all else. Abortion clinic bombers in the 1990s and groups such as the Animal Liberation Front believe zealously in their causes.
People who choose terrorist tactics are also persuaded that violence, or the threat of violence, is effective.
There is some question about who actually 'chooses' terrorism, and it may be unfair to think of young recruits, such as some suicide bombers today, who are seduced by cult-like methods of indoctrination as completely culpable for their choices.
Asking a Better Question: What Conditions Are Favorable for Terrorism
In fact, the question, "what causes terrorism?" is not quite the right question to be asking, because we will never be able to answer it. We cannot say that the presence of one factor provokes terrorism in the same way that we can say with scientific certainty that certain toxins cause diseases.
If you listen closely to the explanations that are usually given as answers to the question, "What is terrorism?" you will find that they actually answer the question: "What are the conditions in which terrorism is most likely to take place?" Sometimes these conditions have to do with the people who become terrorists (they are described as having certain psychological traits, like 'narcissistic rage') and some conditions have to do with the circumstances they live in (a poor society; a formerly colonized society, for example).
Although many people today believe that that religious fanaticism "causes" terrorism, it isn't true. It may be true that religious fanaticism creates conditions that are favorable for terrorism. But we know that religious zealotry does not 'cause' terrorism because there are many religious fanatics who do not choose terrorism or any form of violence. So there must also be other conditions that in combination provoke some people to see terrorism as an effective way of creating change in their world.
There are two more reasons why asking, "What conditions create a favorable climate for terrorism?" is better than asking about causes The first is, it makes it easy to remember that there are always at least several conditions. Terrorism is a complex phenomenon; it is a specific kind of political violence committed by people who do not have legitimate army at their disposal. A second reason that has been useful for me, as I ask questions about terrorism, is that thinking in terms of 'conditions' helps me remember that people have a choice about whether to use violence.
There is nothing inside any person nor in their circumstances that sends them?like a monopoly piece headed directly to "Go"?directly to terrorism. Instead, there are certain conditions, some of which make violence against civilians seem like a reasonable, and even necessary option. Despite this, and some of the deeply unforgivable circumstances that foster terrorism, people always have the free will to seek another course of action.
Causes of Terrorism -- The Two Causes of Terrorism
Terrorism - Causes of Modern Terrorism
New Statesman - Does religion cause terrorism?
I know that Christian extremists have caused acts of violence just as Islamic extremist have. If Islamic extremist have caused violence that doesn't mean the whole religion of Islam is horrible and believes the same as the extremists, does it? Shouldn't the same apply to Christians?
I don't think you realize I'm not just talking about terrorism, I'm talking about wars, terrorism, corruption, death and destruction of countless lives. I'm not even talking about today's extremist really, I'm talking about basic concepts of most religions since they were ever invented. Religion is man-made, whether people are accepting to that of not it's undeniable and even though I think God is man-made, I'm just talking about religion. They have been created so people can control others, set their own rules, that's why most religions are the same...as in the basics were borrowed from ones before it, tweaked a bit and passed around, don't you find it a little funny that you can find the biography of jesus passed around many centuries before he was actually here? Or stories like the great flood too? There all too similar, if people weren't so closed minded and in denial, they would see that too and question.
While most religions claim to "bring everyone together" and all that jazz, it promotes division and has always done that, which has caused all of this destruction for thousands of years. You can't claim unity, while claiming that everyone else who doesn't follow it is wrong and evil(along those lines) and expect that not to cause problems.
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